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Posted:5/28/2009 11:05:00 PM # 1
I'm just posting this as a kind of log as to what I'm doing so that others with similar setups may follow and hopefully not repeat any mistakes that I make. Any useful suggestions are always appreciated.  Please bear with me as this is rather lengthy, but hopefully helpful.

I'm running a AMD Phenom II x4 955BE on an ASUS M4A79T Deluxe (BIOS rev. 1103) with 8Gb of Mushkin 996601 for the last 4 weeks and, IMO, I've been running pretty stable at a CPU multiplier of x17.5 (3511MHz) and my RAM at 7-7-6-18-24-2T (CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR) voltage 1.86V (2 weeks at this voltage, 1.9V before) and DRAM frequency set at 1600MHz, all other settings are auto.

Now in the last week and a half, I've set my multiplier back at stock (x16) due to heat issues, not that big of a deal atm, I've got some ideas on how to fix that (lapping the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 cooler). Now, today, I'm getting a BSOD every time I boot. I reset the CMOS since I can't even make it past the boot screen of Vista. I ran the MS memory tester from my Vista DVD and behold, I got a hardware error at about 39% on the first pass. So, I went ahead and set my 996601 sets to 1333 timings on the main screen and left everything else in auto (9-9-9-25 or so if I remember correctly, I'll check them again when I get home later). I re-ran the MS memory test and got a clean test after both passes and it seems stable for now.

I'm still new to the OC community, but it seems strange to me that after running stable for 3 weeks (admittedly a hot, IMO, CPU ~42C @ idle per Core Temp) I should suddenly start getting the BSOD less than 5 minutes after startup. I'm tried bumping the voltage to 1.8V, tightening the settings at 1333MHz, and playing with the NB frequency and voltage some per the suggestions that Mushkin Sean has been posting in the Mushkin forums.

The only thing that really bothers me is that my overall CPU temp seems to be ~43-45C @ 26-28C ambient (Core 0-3 seem to avg. ~3C higher). The cooler has already been removed, cleaned, and had AS5 placed on it 1 time since the initial install as I thought that the problem may have been to much or incorrect application of the AS5. I had prime95 running and got a failure after 2.25hrs and the overall CPU temp reached 62C. As stated before, I'm going to lap the heatsink since numerous posts I've found on the internet suggest anywhere from a 6C to 12C drop in temperature. Although I'm tempted to lap the CPU, but I don't want to void the warranty yet, so I think I'll save that as a possibly for next spring.

Right now the NB frequency is set 2400MHz (2408.4MHz according to CPU-Z), 2600MHz = BSOD, and everything else is either in auto or its default. The current timings on at 1337.8MHz (hmm, interesting number) are 6-6-6-18-24-2T per CPU-Z, voltage is currently set at 1.90V. All these timings were set manually in the BIOS, with the exception of the CR. The tRC was originally 34, but I tightened it to 24 to see what would happen, so far so good. All other memory settings are left in Auto. The FSB is still at 200 since I've had a few issues in the past getting a BSOD on anything near 220, I'll play with it some more later.

I ordered a lapping kit from EasyPCKits, I got the whole shebang, ArctiClean with Arctic Silver 5, Coarse Lapping Kit, Premium Lapping kit with glass, and the Final Polish Compound. I'm hoping to shed a minimum of 5C.

Update: I completed the lapping last night (2 hours of work) and I could see my reflection in the now mirror like copper surfaces, especially after using the Final Polish Compound. I must say that I don't think I did that bad of a job considering it was my first time lapping a CPU cooler of any kind. Even though the coarse kit was included in my purchase, it wasn't need it since the surface wasn't that rough to start with.

Anyways, to the point, idle temperatures appear to have gone down from ~42C to around ~36-37C, a 5-6C drop :D. Initial startup temperature shows 38C with PCProbe II & Everest and actually dips down to 35C at times after everything has loaded. I'm currently avoiding using Core Temp since the only readout I can get in the current version is the hottest core temperature and not all four or the overall. Now for the Prime95 load information, I ran the torture test for 2 hours and for the first hour it seemed to hold at 53-55C (again a 7-9C drop :D) but then things started to warm up from there to 60C :shock: (still a 2C drop) after 2 hours. After much anger :x, checking the fans to see they were running and their speeds, opening the case to verify I had indeed clamped the cooler down properly and centered it on the CPU, I realized that the ambient temperature near my tower had risen :idea:. Well, duh, hotter air pulled into the tower IS going to make it run hotter overall :oops:.

Overall, lapping the CPU cooler has accomplished its intended goal of reducing normal load temperatures by at least 5C, now I can start with the overclocking. So far I've got a CPU multiplier of x17.5 giving me a CPU OC of just over 300MHz for a frequency of 3511MHz. Naturally temperatures have risen, but I'm not as close to the 62C mark as before. Stability has me a little concerned since I had a total computer lockup in the middle of a game and Core Temp showed the hottest core at 55C (here I'll use it just to get an idea). The next step, I suppose, would be bumping the CPU voltage up from the default 1.350V and see if this minor stability issue goes away. While I'd like to see a 20% OC, I think a 10-12% OC is more realistic with air cooling* given how well my AMD Dragon system heats the air where it's located.

As I have mentioned before, I will continue to keep this updated as I change things with my system. It may be a couple of weeks at times as I experiment to see the stability before I post. If anybody has good ideas or suggestions on setpoints with this particular configuration (ASUS M4A79T Deluxe, AMD Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition, and Mushkin PC3-12800 (996601)) please leave a post and let me know. It may take a couple of days to respond, but I'll at least PM you and let you know I read your post, then I'll post the results later.

*Just so that you all know, air cooling/circulation is currently provided by the stock Cooler Master fans (intake) that came with the CoolerMaster RC-690-KKN1-GP tower (1 120x120x25mm TLF-S12-EB & 2 120x120x25mm R4-S2S-12AK-GP), 2 SilenX 120x120x38mm IXP-76-18 (exhaust), 1 SilenX 80x80x15mm IXP-52-11 (intake blowing the back of the motherboard), and the stock Xigmatek 120x120x25mm CPU fan.

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Posted:5/29/2009 7:43:00 AM # 2
I've been reading more articles on various websites and came to the realization that perhaps the more important temperature to follow is the difference between the ambient and CPU temperatures verses the absolute CPU temperature.  As of right now that difference is ~13-15C at idle, which appears to be the norm.

At the moment I am looking at purchasing 2 SilenX 120x120x25mm IXP-74-14 fans to replace the 2 CoolerMaster R4-S2S-12AK-GP fans, this would increase inlet airflow from approximately 149 cfm to 205 cfm.  Although I'm not a big fan of LED fans, the front CoolerMaster stock blue-LED fan is tasteful and I think I'll leave it in place for now.

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Posted:6/10/2009 8:09:00 AM # 3
I got done installing the last WD hdd (planning on RAID-0 eventually), the last 2 SilenX 120mm fans, and a Zalman 6-fan controller yesterday, zero effect on the overall temperature. Oh well, plenty of air flowing now so I have little to worry about when it comes to cool air for my system. Best part is, even though my tower is louder, the only noise that I do hear isn't from the fans but from the air they're moving :D .

Today I downloaded and update the motherboard bios from 1103 to 1202, not my best move :cry: . While successfully updated, I ended up have to set everything to it's defaults (except Cool-N-Quiet is enabled) due to a BSOD and hard lock that kept coming up during the Vista load screen. I haven't exactly determined why since all the update did was add unleash mode to the ACC function (I left it disabled) and fixed the Intel 9300PT LAN card not waking up the system from S1/S3/S4 (I don't have one, so no big). I suspect that it may have something to do with the NB frequency being at 2400MHz since I had something similar happen when I tried to set that to 2600MHz with bios revision 1103. The only upside seems to be that I shed nearly 2C and I'm now about 11C above ambient (39C absolute). I gotta do some checking since I don't know what the default voltage is for the NB, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that increasing this voltage would help to stabilize things.

As always, any and all reasonable suggestions and ideas are welcome. By God, I'm gonna kick this pig until it works, :lol: .

EDIT: Sure enough the issue was the NB frequency being at 2400MHz, although I don't know why :? . I raised it to 2600MHz to see what would happen. I managed to get Vista loaded, but for some reason, according to CPU-Z, it's defaulting to 2000MHz and I can't get it to change. I double checked the BIOS and it's still set at 2600MHz, :twisted: . I also raised the DDR voltage from 1.86V to 1.9V, that seemed to help with the benchmarks some, dropped the latency from ~57ns to ~49ns; I was much happier when I had ~47-48ns with the NB frequency at 2400MHz.

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Posted:6/11/2009 8:14:00 AM # 4
I ended up reflashing my BIOS back to rev 1103, now everything appears to be stable and normal once again. With BIOS rev 1202, every time I did a cold boot, the POST screen would say that the OC had failed, press F1 to... and I would have to reload the settings I had last time I started up, TO MUCH EFFORT to do this EVERY TIME I start my computer.

Somebody suggested that I up the CPU voltage to see if that would stabilize things, of course I read this after I reflashed to 1103.  At the moment, I'm just not wanting to deal with rev 1202.  My guess, by the lack of posts, is that everybody else is having no problems with it and that my situation is unique.  Oh well, life goes on and I'm really not willing to give up on this board yet, way to many excellent reviews on it and SO many tweaks for it.

I must say that I hope this is not an indicator of BIOS updates to come. I've got to include that I am rather disappointed with this being my first ASUS motherboard (Abit previously) that such a thing could cause such huge problems.

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Posted:6/15/2009 2:31:00 AM # 5
Last night I spent about 3 hours or more rerouting all my cabling and wiring in my tower, most of that was spent trying to figure out how to do it.  Needless to say, the interior is much cleaner now and has much better air flow.

I had an idea this morning, after having read several reviews regarding the testing of air cooled cpu heatsinks, I noticed they all had one thing in common, a controlled environment.  It didn't matter what the ambient temperature was, most were ~24-28C, they were all controlled, this was the one thing I didn't have.  I figured out that if I couldn't control the room temperature with the same precision as they did, I'd do the next best thing, turn a fan on high and direct it at my tower.  Well what do you know, it worked, my average temperature after running a prime95 torture test was 54C after 3 hours.  At the same time I was running a FurMark stability test on my GPU (71C average).  I do believe I have this stock frequency temperature issue resolved now.

Ok, now with the ambient being 27C (80F), the cpu idling is running at 34C (93F), that's just 7C above ambient.  The cpu at load is 54C (129F) and the maximum temperature for this cpu per AMD is 62C (144F).  I would have to say LET THE OVERCLOCKING COMMENCE. :lol:

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Posted:6/17/2009 10:35:00 AM # 6
I reapplied the version 1202 BIOS to my M4A79T Deluxe today figuring I'd try some tweaking to get past the BSOD that keeps popping up during the Vista boot screen.  I bumped both the CPU and CPU/NB voltages up by 0.1V to 1.400V and 1.200V respectively and that seems to have solved the problem.  Later I intend to go back and reduce these to the minimum need since I think only one may be needed.  I came up with the 1.4V and 1.2V by reading on [url]Overclocking.net[/url] about other people OCing their 955BE cpu and found only one person with a similar air cooler (they have the Xigmatek Dark Knight, I have just the S1283) the same motherboard (didn't list their BIOS rev. but after the 1202 update) with a 18.0x multiplier, 1.4V CPU, 1.3V CPU/NB, and 2000MHz NB clock.  I figured if they could get 3600 stable like that, what would happen if I tried something similar and worked my way up there.  I haven't tested for stability as of yet, but my latency (according to Everest) for the RAM at 6-6-6-18 CR2 is 46.7ns (WOOT :D ), that's a reduction of 3.1ns from previously  8) .  And according to the chart given, a full 12.6ns faster than a Core i7 Extreme 965 on a Asus P6T Deluxe x58 platform with Triple DDR3-1333 (@ 9-9-9-24 CR1).

ATM, I must say that I am happy with the results.  Idle is holding at ~41C or 14C above ambient.

EDIT: *sigh* Well the issues with the 1202 BIOS came back as a BSOD paging fault in a nonpaged area.  I spent the last 3 hours trying various settings only to roll my BIOS back to 1103 again.  I am aware that this usually is a RAM issue (ie bad), but the only way I could get my system stable was to set everything at it's default settings :( .  I'm beginning to think I may have either a bad motherboard or cpu, either is possible at this point since I'm running stable with the 1103 BIOS and not with the 1202.  Very annoying and no fun when trying to overclock.

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Posted:7/11/2009 11:03:00 AM # 7
  LoneWolf thanks for taking the time to go over your problems with your build and what you have discovered.It will help me and others on this site who are doing similar builds with this motherboard.
 I haven't built my system yet but am looking into parts for a similar build and will look in on this thread for suggestions in the future.

Thanks
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Posted:7/12/2009 12:20:00 AM # 8

You may want to read this artical on DDR3 memory and Phenom II processors.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12033&Itemid=1

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Posted:7/14/2009 5:59:00 PM # 9
@Fishead - You're welcome.  It's been a bit since I posted anything with regards to this.  I've been dealing with life and hanging out on Overclock.net trying to get my overclocking stabilized and my cooling issues dealt with.  So I'll bring everything up to date, please bear with me as this might get a little lengthy.

* So I posted to the AMD motherboard forums on Overclock.net to try and get some help with my 1202 problem, basically I copied and pasted what I've posted here and did a little editing for language (proper English is always good).

I got plenty of hits but only one response. Turns out that ASUS has released revision 1303 for the BIOS and I missed it by several days, a week to be exact. I'm checking all this out with about 15 minutes before I have to go to work .

To the point, I downloaded, unzipped, rebooted to the BIOS, flashed to 1303, rebooted to BIOS, and set everything as I had it before (messed up the RAM, 6-6-6-18 & not 6-6-6-16 oops). At this point, I've still had a few minutes before I leave, so I load up Vista and sure enough no issue at this point. I checked it out the next morning and thought I'd run prime95 for a few hours while I'm sleeping. I had to remember to move my case out from under my desk while doing prime95 since there is very poor circulation under there, recycled heat and all that good stuff.

*  Well what do you know? It worked. I went ahead and corrected my memory to 6-6-6-16 and then ran prime95 for 5.3hours with stable results. Things did get a little toasty at 59C on the core temperature and 55-56C on the CPU.

I still don't know why they are different, on my laptop it seems to be consistently within 1C across the board (although it does have an Intel cpu and not an AMD) , but I do I expect from getting a Dell, almost every single cpu they offer is an Intel.

I was hoping someone would give me an idea that did involve watercooling. It's just to expensive and outside of my comfort zone currently. I had been checking out the CoolIt website and some prices and while they appear to rate highly, they are almost as expensive as a full on custom watercooling solution.

*  Looks like my temperatures were on the rise after this BIOS update. Coincidence? Maybe, but idk, but I kinda doubt it.

Get this, I started up my computer that morning and got tied up doing something else for about 3 hours. So it's idling, right? Should have been about 43C like normal, right? WRONG!!! 55C CORE TEMPERATURE!!! ***!!!

It takes 10 minutes of all the fans full blast, including an external fan, to get everything down near what idle temperature was before. I still don't know what was going on, but I was getting mad as hell. I have no idea why this would change, the ambient is the same, there is only ~30% of cpu activity at the most according to Task Manager.

I reseated the heatsink after I clean up everything. But I dealt with that later when I got up, I was just to tired right put up with that right then and I'd been up for 25 hours.

*  Temperatures are back near normal again, although I do think there is about a 1C change since updating to the 1303 BIOS revision which is strange (core temp = ~44-45C ).

I'd changed nothing, but I did notice while I was rummaging around in the BIOS that the VCore is 1.481V. I remember having read that the "stock" voltage for this cpu was 1.35V and it's range is 0.875-1.5V, hmm, . I manually set the voltage starting at 1.2V and raised it in 0.025 increments until it was stable. After about a dozen BSOD and 3 "I think it's stable now" then a BSOD, I just set the voltage back to "AUTO" in the BIOS. I needed a few beers after that .

Ambient was still 25C (77F) and slowly rising thanks to my big space heater sitting next to me.

*  Well, I threw in the towel and decided that whatever the cause of heat issue, it seemed to primarily point back to the Xigmatek HDT-S1283. However great everybody else thinks HDT is, it's not working for me. I'll go with the flat, thin base on the heatsink from now on. I did notice that BenchmarkReview updated their thermal interface material test to 80 from 33 and included method and enthusiast ratings for the TIMs.

I had gone ahead and ordered a Prolimatech Megahalems with an AM2+ adapter kit and a Scythe 1900rpm Slipstream. I added on to that a blue LED 110cfm Cooler Master to replace my 33cfm stock blue LED. My reasoning, both the SilenX 120x25mm 72cfm supply fans are becoming exhuast fans and one of the 2 SilenX 120x38mm exhaust fans (the one on the side panel) is becoming a supply fan. I've got 2 spare Cooler Master 120x25mm fans that I plan on using as circulating fans within the tower. One of the right now is pointed at my ASUS EAH4890 and I've seen a 10C drop there and a ~3C drop in my CPU . Although dropping my overclock back to stock may have helped a little (~2C) there.

With shipping as it is these days, I expected to get my order by the end of the week and have everything completed by that Sunday. This also meant that I would have to redo some of my wire routing so it doesn't look like a mess AND interfere with good air flow.

*  I just had gotten the confirmation email from SVC.com on my order . I'm was giddy with joy and can't wait for it to get here.

I did think that after I installed my new Megahalems cooler and checked my temperatures, I'd finally convert over to RAID-0 and run Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC until it runs out in June. Dual boot is nice, but I would always end up running one OS over the other, so I don't see much sense in doing it. I also hoped SmartDoctor for my EAH4890 worked in W7.

Something interesting, I noticed my temperatures and their cycles(?), I wondered if my Xiggy isn't acting like a passive cooler instead? I've got the fan (SilenX 90cfm 120x38mm) hooked to a fan controller with my other fans and cranking it to 100% seems to do very little . Oh well, tough cookies. I'll see about getting another fan later and making a shroud for the fan. The Scythe Slipstream has such a small motor surface compared to other 120x25mm fans, idk if it will help or no.

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Posted:7/16/2009 4:08:00 PM # 10
Lonewolf I really don't get into overclocking.Its not that important to me.I guess you have got
overclockers nads cause you seem pretty persistent and hunt down all the avenues to fix your problems.
I just want stability.Right now I'm having problems with a new build with this board.It won't boot at all.I have been reading about the problem a lot of people have had if their BIOS  wasn't 0902 or later it wouldn't recognize the newer processors and wouldn't boot.
Well I checked for BIOS version on motherboard label and my BIOS is 0902 so thats not the problem.
I think my problem is my power supply.I thought my PSU a PC POWER & COOLING 510 watt SLI  was plenty for this build.I had just checked the PSU wattage calculator  on this site and came up with the need for 650 watts so my PSU is a bit short in that department.
I had an old PSU that I was going to try and hook up to just my video card(Geforce GTX 285)
and try it that way but that old supply was dead. :(
So now I'm pondering if I should pull the trigger on  a PC POWER & COOLING  910 watt Silencer.
The Geforce 285 is a wattage hog .
I'll let you know how things work out.Money is a little tight right now.So I might have to wait a bit.
   Richard

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