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Fonts
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Posted:2/27/2009 8:40:00 AM # 11

THIS SHOULD BE A STICKY

>> You did not exactly follow the instructions per the other post in the forum I mentioned (that is the one from the guy in Italy), if you had you would have setup both RAID before installing OS and on install loaded the drivers for both SAS (assume did do this) and SATA. Vista would have picked both up properly and you would have been set.

>> but no biggie

>> here is the post with instructions

Topic : [Problem]SAS raid or ICH10R raid not both is a problem
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20081216042103721&board_id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&SLanguage=en-us&page=2

Tetsujin
Posted:1/29/2009 6:59:00 AM # 12
 
After many hours, I found the solution.

Bios 1102

1) Select RAID in bios and create Raid on Intel controller (ctrl+I). Reboot and go to bios

2) Select AHCI and create Raid on SAS controller (ctrl+M). Reboot and go to bios

3) In boot device, select Raid SAS as first hard drive, then reboot

4) Install Vista: when requested, load the Marvell driver and the Intel driver. Now you can see the 2 sata became 1.. the sata raid is created.

5) At the end of the installation, go to Computer and you can see the Raid SAS + Raid Sata correctly configured.

Thanks to Hardware Upgrade Forum, Italy

>> This was the procedure I had use before and found his note. So I verified it again on a build - yes it works.
>> Note I have only tried this on Vista x64 and Win7 x64 and BIOS 1102 /1206, so that is all I can speak to...


>> Udo
>> Forget what ASUS support told you...
>> See instructions above from Tetsujin (and my notes to Duallydave below).
>> Not a big deal to switch back to SAS RAID, just set it up and clone your SATA image back over to it, verifiy it and then reconfigure your SATA (meaning format, etc., what ever you want).
>> Just be careful deleting RAID arrays, etc. and/or make sure you have some backups if you do not feel you know what you are doing...


>> Duallydave
>> Your problem is easy enough to resolve.
>> See my notes below.

I setup the SAS disks as raid1 and installed Vista x64. I ran windows update, install the chipset and sata drivers, all was working fine.

>> meaning you could see all disks - right?

I then plugged in the sata drives and set them up as a raid5 volume.
>> meaning you set BIOS to RAID and used Ctrl-I to make RAID - right?

When I exited and the system tried to boot, the SAS disks were not there and the system did not boot.
>> because you should have set BIOS to ACHI (from RAID) and BOOT to SAS
>> remember these steps required separate reboots and BIOS changes - you cannot change at the same time - one will override the other. anyway you can experiment if you like.

The boot section in the bios did not show the sata disks any more.
>> hmm. I think you were in some mis-step of the process of BIOS changes or something?
>> or did you mean the SAS drives? anyway does not mattter..

After changing the sata disks to achi, the sas disks showed up again in the boot section, and after setting them as the boot disk again, the system came back up, but the sata disks were not a raid set, but seperate disks.
>> Yes. That is correct. Because the BIOS reported them that way.
>> If you are unsure...go back again and verify your SATA RAID is configured in BIOS
>> Steps BIOS: RAID. Reboot, CTRL I, Reboot, BIOS: ICHI, Reboot, BIOS: SAS Primary Boot (note the name of your RAID array - this will appear later in Device Manager).

>> Ok if that is all good then...
>> Boot to Vista and run Intel Matrix Storage Manager (download most current if needed) my personal machine has 8.7.0.1007 (not sure if it latest).
>> Your SATA array will now be visible (I do not recall that a reboot is required - but possibly - if so I think Matrix Manager prompts after install - I do not remeber 100% at the moment).
>> Anyway you will see your RAID arrays in Device Manager (named as you did when you created).
>> Diskmgt (competer-Manage-Disk Management) will show the RAID as one drive (normal). Check the RAID and assign/check drive letter, etc.
>> Computer will show your RAID disk

>> What else can I help with?

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Posted:2/27/2009 9:17:00 AM # 12
Yep.
You got it - congratulations.
I must have been writing my last post when you post yours.

Easy enough once you know how - right?

You raise another point.
I saw a post somewhere says you could not have multiple SATA arrays and that all drives must be one array. Well as you say - not true.

On my personal machine I have:
  2xSAS 15K RAID0
  2xSATA RAID1
  2xSATA RAID1
  1xSATA Basic
  1xSATA Basic

So hopefully we can dispell that myth as well.
I have not personally verified that 2TB limit - but as some others have said here or elsewhere - it does not sound right. When I have a chance I will try it.

Again good work for hanging in there and getting it.

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Posted:2/27/2009 7:51:00 PM # 13
Fonts,
Thank you for all the information.

I'll give OS on SAS Raid0 another try over the weekend and report back if it works out.

Additionally, if my new Adaptec 31205 12-channel Raid were to arrive today or tomorrow, I'll let everybody know if this piece of hardware can be made working with the P6T Deluxe as well.

Cheers,
Udo

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Posted:2/28/2009 5:44:00 PM # 14

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Author: Fonts Posted: 2/27/2009 8:40:00 AM

>> Your SATA array will now be visible (I do not recall that a reboot is required - but possibly - if so I think Matrix Manager prompts after install - I do not remeber 100% at the moment).


Hi Fonts,

Thanks for this very good tutorial. I have done exactly the steps you mentioned.
I see the name of the array in my device manager but in Intel Matrix Storage Array (same version you have) i only see I only see the disks and not the array. So I think it's not possible to check or monitor the status of the raid array.
If this is not working I will not be able to recognize if a disk fails and replace it.
Do you really see your array in this application?
Do you have an idea what I can try to see the raid array?

I have the following configuration:
2xRaptor 74GB  on SAS controller (Raid0)
2xSeagate Barracuda 1500GB  on ICH10R  (Raid1)
Bios version: 1102
OS: Vista64

Thanks in advance,
wbr Delphius

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Posted:3/1/2009 3:49:00 AM # 15
Yes. Understand. Well I was responding directly to Duallydave's issue and assume he did not want to reinstall. The easy, quick fix was to load ACHI10R but installing Intel Matrix Storage. But this did not mean it was created/managed by IMS. As you noted it is not. Well that brings up another problem. Management of the array. Well it has to be done if CTRL-I BIOS at this point. But what about alarming, monitoring, etc.? Well a bit of an issue as most software will not handle this well with this workaround. They look at Win or BIOS and try to plugin. I will give you some options and such for this in a separate post - do not have the time now. Another thing though is I may have discovered some other issues (not threating to data) but impacting performance. I am investigating. I see no reason at this time to work about data integrity - so hold tight. But actually using MS (at least Win7 software RAID) may provide significantly better performance...again still checking it. Problem here is given this setup is a bit of a hack most SW performance tools do not handle it well so what they report (is any) is suspect. UPDATE: Sorry if my last posted alarmed anyone (and that this text is wrapping due to IE8 incompatiability issues) but it appears that performance is fine - that tools like HDTune, etc. are not reporting correctly. That said I am setting up another Win7 software mirror and will compare performance there. It is easier Mgmt interface and other alarming tools (send email, call, etc.) are easy to integrate -- so if performance is on par with the Marvell then it may make more sense to set out the Raid Mirrors there and avoid this confusion entirely. Good news is that SAS performance really rocks in all my tests using 15k drives. I have done extensive SSD testing including the latest Intel and for me 15k SAS still rules the day in overall performance. Again the bottom line is do not immediately trust what HD tools are reporting on performance of your SATA RAID. But I welcome input and feedback...

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Posted:3/1/2009 12:32:00 PM # 16

Thanks to the above posts, I too was able to configure separate SAS and SATA RAID sets.  I was a bit confused at first, so if it's helpful to anybody I'll try and distill the important information:

You can create both SAS and SATA RAID sets, but due to BIOS memory limitations (or poor design) you cannot view both SAS and SATA BIOSes during boot.  So, the objective is to first set the P6T BIOS to "RAID" (which simply puts the ICH10R SATA controller in RAID mode), enter the ICH10R BIOS during boot by pressing CTRL-I, create your SATA RAID sets, save, reboot, then enter the P6T BIOS again and set to AHCI.  Now the ICH10R SATA RAID set is configured and tucked away so you can now edit the Marvell SAS RAID configuration (CTRL-M during boot).  That's it--not too complicated, just cumbersome!  These actions can be performed whenever the SATA RAID set needs to be reconfigured. 

In my case, I had 2 15k SAS drives in a RAID 1 array for my Vista x64 instance, and 5 1 TB SATA drives "spanned" in Vista (using the AHCI driver), just waiting until ASUS found a solution or somebody found a workaround.  Once the workaround was conceived I followed the workaround and created a RAID 5 array on the SATA drives (knowingly blowing away the data on the spanned array), and booted back into Vista to see if the workaround was effective.  Indeed it was.  The intel AHCI driver is the same iaStor.sys (8.7.0.1007) as before and under AHCI mode, the ICH10R accepted the RAID configuration I fed to it in the workaround.  The new RAID 5 set showed up in diskmgmt immediately and I'm back in action. 

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Posted:3/2/2009 1:54:00 AM # 17
All,
As promised - reporting back :-)

I've managed to transfer the OS from the ICH10R Raid5 to a SAS Raid0 config. Afterwards the ICH10R, set to AHCI to have to SAS Raid0 available as boot device, presented its Raid5 to Vista.

One more question though ... Since I didn't do a fresh install but transferred from ICH10R Raid5 to SAS Raid0, the ICH10R drivers and raid component for the Intel Matrix Storage Manager Console (IMSMC) were already present, of course. Nonetheless, the IMSMC would not present the Raid5 logical volume but individual disks while Windows MMC disk management and device manager showed the Raid5 drive. Is that to be expected (since the ICH10R is set to AHCI mode now in BIOS)?

Just for info - and since there are some reports on this forum that indicate possible problems with add-on raid controllers - the Adaptec 31205 12-port SAS/SATA raid controller works just fine for me as a non-bootable controller. It does need an PCIE x8 slot and I've installed it in the lowermost slot (PCIEX16_3). I've not tested (yet) if booting from it would work as well since I'm happy for now with the performance of the SAS Raid0 I've configured.

Not sure yet if TrueCrypt system encryption is still possible after all those changes, but I'll let you know with the next update.

Quote from Fonts: THIS SHOULD BE A STICKY ... I second that :-)

Cheers,
Udo

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Posted:3/27/2009 2:35:00 PM # 18
Hi,

Thank you much for the excellent post.  I have three questions...

Will this only work with this BIOS revision; will this work with the XP install; and will this work with a single drive attached to SAS and multi SATAs in various RAID configs on ich10?

Thanks again,
Zell

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Posted:9/5/2009 11:39:00 AM # 19


Duallydave, i can see in you spec. that you have the same amount and type of memory as i am
but i can't have all 6 modules in and run them in 1600Mh
i have try XMP...and mod the XMP a lite...but it always end up in the same way =(
when i play games after a while the computer starts to hook up in small loops, sound loop
like a damaged cd in a cd-player...after a while longer the computer hangs in a loop

for the moment i run the computer on only 3 modules (6Gb) and it seems to be stable now

how have you cofigurate you memoris in the BIOS?
what kind of cooling system do you have?
in my manual it only garanti 4 modules of that memory...same in yours?
do anyone know i why to change the config to work with all 6 (12Gb) in 1600Mh
costum cooling for the northen birdge?
buy another memory that the manual say works with all 6 i 1600?

meny questions, i know =)
i hope anyone can give my any info, so i know what to do next
my MB is ASUS Rampage II Gene
CPU: I7 940 (not OC)
GPU: HD 4870 x2

Meny thanks for anything =)

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Posted:9/22/2009 9:00:00 PM # 20
Can someone please post a step by step process of getting this to work? I've been trying since the weekend and can't get this to work on my PC. I have 4 1TB drives for the SATA RAID and 2 73GB drives for the SAS RAID. I am trying to install Windows 7. UPDATE: I got it figured out last night. I missed the step to install the Intel controller drivers during the Windows 7 install. Once I installed both the Marvell AND Intel controller drivers, the Windows 7 install saw the drives properly.

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